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Anonymous asked:

at least seiusa seem to have a more equal relationship, there seems to be a power imbalance with usagi and mamoru. sure you keep on saying the age difference isnt that bad between them but the fact of the matter is mamoru still acts much more mature and aloof than her and frequently seems to treat her the same as chibiusa. I mean usagi is always the one getting jealous and insecure we never see mamoru be like that, he's also the one controlling when they date and such.

tiny012 answered:

I have been said that Usa and Mamo had a imbalance of power in their relationship that the writers could have easy fixed. With her feeling insecure and with him never being on the equal power level as her. It’s not just the age gap. I have wrote rants and rants on this since the manga did close those gaps and they where equal. I have been said my piece about how Mamo in season five is more sterile than a hospital room meaning they strip him of his personality while at the end of the series Usagi is still not secure in her relationship when she asked do he love her. These are problems that I criticize constantly. Almost on a daily basis.

But here’s the kicker.

They are in a commited relationship while Seiya and Usagi is not.

Also Usagi is a year older than Seiya… She also started to act more mature in season five than in her another four seasons. She knows what she wants and she constantly tell fuckboy to step off.

Also people try to use Mamo maturness against him with Usagi but the fact of the matter this boy was ready to “wife” her when he put that ring(either its a promise or engagement) on her finger. He’s mature to make that decision that he wants her in his life even tho he know Usagi still have some growing up to do and need to graduate.

Yeah I may not like the fact he pretty much told her if she didn’t get her grades up they would go on a date but at least their a dates she agree to and he give her a chance to say yes or no on if she wants to go on it. He give her choice and a chance to answer instead of already thinking she wants to go on it without getting her answer and just spewing out what time and place it is. He also listens to her which Seiya does not at all. She constantly tells Seiya that she have a boyfriend, that doesn’t want to be called dumpling,and they are not dating and their never listen to her.

Mamo knows what he want just like Usagi do….. Also he did get jealous once with that dentist.. I need people to stop using the fact that he doesn’t get jealous against him..

blackmantagirl

-Slides in with my two cents-

Anon… you just like conflict for conflict sake. It is NOT healthy to have overly possessive/jealous/argumentative relationships. I’m sorry that romance genre has lied to you and told you that communication and understanding and giving each other the chance to choose whether they want to do something or not and being supportive in both big and little ways was boring.

Quite frankly,90s anime Usagi’s insecurities, Jealousies outside of the in-universe - is done for comedy.

Yeah, you read right, it’s supposedly FUNNY that she’s like this. That she overdoes things and acts out because she just can’t control her damn self at times.

In-universe, she just needed to grow up and catch up with everyone else. I mean, How you gonna cast stones at Mamoru for being mature when everyone else is more mature than Usagi?

Mamoru’s Mature the same way that Makoto, Rei, Ami, Haruka and Michiru are mature. The same reason Setsuna and even Hotaru are more Mature than Usagi.

Circumstances of their lives and their backgrounds Forces Them To be Mature.

(lets recall that Usagi is privileged ~~brat~~ that not only has two doting loving (and over protective in some cases) parents. A little brother who, while annoying and annoyed with her, loves her. They live in a great neighborhood. The Only hiccup in her life is school and really she COULD apply herself better, but she doesn’t. We KNOW she can, after all, she makes it from 14 in season one to 15/16 in season five having done exams and the like to get in to the same high school as the other three girls. So she’s not dumb. And even in season five, there’s no mention (if at all) about her grades.

Recall that we never see haruka/Michiru’s parents or know about their relationship with them. But being a sailor soldier on their own and seeing horrific things caused them to harden up -quick fast. They are also protayed as Super Cool Older Mature people. Setsuna spent an enormous time alone with only a *child* for a friend for unknown amount a time with a huge responsibility. Hotaru was in a horrific accident that killed her mother, infected her father, his assistant, and even her with an alien trying to take over them. And what’s more she endured years of mental abuse under Kaorinite and her classmates who ostracized her. Then Rei is pretty much responsible for her perverted grandfather (who always harasses young girl and women-constantly almost) plus the running of the shrine. Then Makoto who, canonically, is literally alone and has the same status as Mamoru only she gets to remember her parents. She has to balance her budget and ect. By. Her. Self since she able to live on her own (most likely since she was 13yrs old. Lets imagine that for a quick sec.) then you have Ami, who’s ostracized because she’s simply intelligent and she spent most of her time alone because her mother works hard. She’s a child of divorced parents- which to my understanding has a lot of baggage with it even without cultural issues there.

Minako is not included because like Usagi, she has doting parents. She’s able to return to the same mentality she had once before the series began and was like Usagi in the beginning anyway. In fact, she ends up acting less mature as the series goes on, is kinda hilarious in it’s own way. )

Usagi basically has been coddled so much, she ends up developing late in the game in the maturity section.

Mamoru does get jealous. It’s happened.

He does not control the dates.

In fact, you see Usagi often suggesting dates and the like to him- which would mean that she respects him enough to allow him to have a Choice in the matter, just as much as he allowed her to have the same courtesy. (He should not be guilted to go on dates because she wants to. That’s not how dating works. It’s an agreement between two people to do a thing. Not ONE person.)

Honestly, I didn’t see nothing wrong with him telling her if her grades don’t get up, they wouldn’t be able to date. Or if she Did get her grades up they could do more dates. I imagine he’s doing this ahead of time to help *HER*(Come on now, her parents would’ve totally have grounded her if her grades were slipping BiG Time.). He’s taken an interest in *HER* education. He wants the best for her. Real partners what that for you. They help you in that. (Which he DID. Like, several times over the course of the series we see her and the girls over at his place to study, or him with them and giving advice, or him with Chibiusa AND Usagi and helping them with their homework. )

It is honest to gods, not Mamoru’s fault that Usagi cannot get over her jealousy. It is not his complete responsibility to make her grow up. That boy has never done anything to make her jealous like she is except for ONE time during the break up arc when he intentionally didn’t tell her about Unazuki (Sp?) - whom she should’ve known about given how much she hung out at the Crown Arcade and later the Fruit Parlor which is Right. Next. Door- And that was the only time he tried to make her jealous and it was to intentionally drive her away from him to Save. Her. Life. from a perceived danger he saw.

Any other time Usagi’s jealous or whatever, he tries to reassure her a good majority of the time.

Like, geezus, Mamoru has done nothing wrong.

When has the last time Seiya’s done anything like that without an ulterior motive? When did Seiya go “ Hey, we should study together! Study group can happen at my place! We have time. “ And there’s no strings attached?

When did Mamoru ever force his feelings on Usagi? “ Oh, you have a boyfriend? Then I still have a chance since he’s across the world.”

Sounds bad if he said it, I bet.

like, Just because Usagi and Seiya are closer in age doesn’t mean there’s an automatic balance. Why? Because Seiya never ever ever gave Usagi the choice on whether to date them without feeling rude ~~(this is a thing. I’ve gone through that same bullshit. You go as friends, and then the dude tries to make it into a DATE-date. Like no. wtf.).~~

Calling her out her name and not even in a fun way. She did this in season one but, you know what? She also called Mamoru names too. It was an actual trade back and forth. And even then, he never forced her to hang out with him.

just.. IDK, Anon, dunno what else to say here that Tiny hasn’t said or the others.

And the funny thing is, I’m not saying Seiya and Usagi would have never had a snowball’s chance in hell in any timeline- I’m saying that Seiya’s approach to a more Mature Usagi in season Five was completely and utterly wrong, and more juvenile than she likes.

Usagi, obviously, has a type. She likes the ‘Princely’ type and most of the time that Princely-type is someone who’s Mature. Cultured. Educated well. Speaks well and in general rich.

Both Mamoru and Haruka are these archetypes. Seiya is supposedly a combination of the two but the 90s Anime just made Seiya come off as an annoying bratty friend that doesn’t take ‘no’ for an answer and isn’t the least bit like a prince (which is Usagi’s Type. Like. for real. Look at everyone she’s ever crushed on and you’ll see they’re all guys (or girls) with a mature air about them that are suave and sophisticated. )

If anything, Usagi would probably fall for the other starlights before Seiya. (yes Kakyuu is included here.)

d011qu33n

Funny how anon said Mamoru was controlling dates when Seiya not only tries to set them up without consent repeatedly, but he uses those “dates” to flaunt his wealth, talent, and popularity to try to convince Usagi to date him…

And the whole time Usagi doesn’t really get a word in edgewise bc when she does it’s always “no thank you, i have a loving boyfriend”

👀

tiny012

blackmantagirl

Huh, it’s almost as if Everyone that seriously believes Seiya/Usagi are an actual couple or even canonically viable in the 90s anime, are literally IGNORING The half of their OTP literally saying how much she DOES NOT want something.

Almost as if…

Her opinion…

Hang on, I think I got something here-

It’s almost as if people are ignoring her Consent to any of this?

And that she’s doing this out of politeness?

tiny012

Yeah Like this fuckboy thinks they can “ shoot their shot” when she told them that she got a boyfriend..

“I have a boyfriend” translates to “Yes I am in love with someone else. Leave me the fuck alone.” not “Oh yeah! He’s not here so you can holla!”

blackmantagirl

as @d011qu33n mentions in the notes- Usagi’s Friends are ALSO TRASH for guilting her and trying to steer her to Seiya when she CLEARLY doesn’t want that.

The only respectable people on her side were the Outers.

tiny012

Yall going to make me pull all my liveblogging out! lol

blackmantagirl

It may be played for laughs but the Inner senshi were TRASH to Usagi. Rei’s speech is especially trash. Like, how can you be so psychic and close to Usagi and be so dumb about her suffering? Or how she, in every interaction, has NO interest in Seiya and then go back and SHAME HER for simply interacting with Seiya even though She NEVER INDICATED SHE WANTED SEIYA AT ALL OTHER THAN A FRIEND?

Like.. I’m Hella believing Rei’s envy is showing up here.

And Ami’s awful too. Both she and Rei are the CLOSEST to Usagi *AND* Mamoru but the suggestion that you hide this, and then also the fact you’re assuming or thinking she’s even flirting with Seiya is sooooo messed up.

It’s almost as bad as the break up arc where they did -nothing- to help either one and largely stood aside.

No, this is worse because they’re actively messing with Usagi even knowing and seeing how much she is NOT interested romantically in Seiya and it’s completely one-sided.

Season Five is the: Everyone but the Outers and Usagi were useless assholes.

d011qu33n

*mentions in the replies how the inners were probably ignoring usagi bc theyre busy pushing her around to get close to the starlights*

Tiny: *pulls those exact receipts*

But seriously those receipts highlight it so well it makes me really sad…

Usagi: i have a boyfriend and i do not want to date you! I am repeating this constantly!

Seiya: i still have a chance♡

Inners: Stop stringing Seiya along u have a boyfriend. But also go on dates bc we want to third wheel so bad so we can be rebounds. But you agreeing to date Seiya makes you kinda horrible you already have a boyfriend why do you want Seiya too?

Usagi: Hey can we at least talk about how I havent talked to Mamo in a while, im getting worried and i miss him so much…

Inners: He’s probably busy or tired of your dumbass. We’ve been friends for years and you’ve been in this committed relationship for a while but he’s probably over u bc u enjoy eating sweets too much and arent motivated to study. Your a terrible girlfriend. Can you introduce us to the Starlights?

Sailor Moon writers meeting: Nailed it!

blackmantagirl